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I own a small Sprinter based Class C diesel and have considered trading to something larger. Thanks for the comparison of the two types of coaches. I bought my first MH three months ago.
It has the Ford engine. Thanks again. Hi and thank you for your great review of the Gas vs Diesel RVs. In Europe Diesel is cheaper than Gas and in many European countries we have high mountains like the Alps, that make Diesel the best choice. Many places we also have narrow and very curved roads so our RVs tend to be a lot smaller than the ones you have in the US. Most RVs are between 16 and 25 feet.
Many RV parkings not camping grounds are made for campers not longer than 8 meters about 24 feet. Any way in Europe Diesel is about the only option for RVs.
Great video. I have the same V Ford in my Thor A. Being a first-time owner we were concerned with two things at time of purchase: 1 price 2 the wife had to feel comfortable driving the motorhome. Several long trips this year reminded me of several things I have learned over the years driving large Ford Trucks.
Most Ford vehicles start out with the over-drive ON. This provides a sluggish start and a fuel-saving top end. Electronically it is done with a different shifting pattern. However if you are going up and down hill regularly, turning the over-drive OFF Tow-Haul Mode On , and just leaving it alone you will get a much better ride overall.
Try it for the next update to your video, you will be amazed. Years ago, the Bounder was known as the Bouncer. Several friends traded for something else is how I know. The manufacturer fixed the problem with heavy-duty anti-sway bars, which I would advise for anyone using the Ford F Chassis. Much better ride with little to no sway. I have a 2-year old Thor Challenger with 13, miles with the Ford V I think that was a combination of AK roads with road seams. My suspension sucked and needed some tweaking but rides much better now, removing some of the sway.
Concerning the cruise control, I just tap the brake lightly and it disengages and I manually control it for the hill. Just hit resume when it flattens out rather than turning it off and back on. The diesels do the same work at a lower RPM, so the power band is more narrow and less shifting occurs. You sure did a lot of fun stuff in Alaska. Of course, if money is no object, you would get a diesel pusher Cummins, CAT , with a Freightliner chassis, but that is an entirely different animal.
I think the new Ford transmission, something to better match a 6 speed Allison on the chevy will make all the difference. We are on our second gas coach, a Winnebago 33C. We love it�mostly, but have been curious about gas vs diesel.
Very interesting and something to think about! Great job! Love the blog! Awesome review! You guys rock!!! It would be totally cool to do this trip next year, cover this same stretch but in a DP of similar size like your previous coach.
That would present a real comparison to all the points you covered here. I thought the noise level was really quite loud�much more than I would have expected. And I get the impression that you might not go with a gas coach again�would that be a fair guess? Thanks you guys for solidifying that My choice for a diesel coach is a good one. Ford NEED to change that urgent!!
I know that they Ford already have air suspension in some F-Series so why not offer on the RV chassi line? I will pay it and many people also will�. Transmission feels like will explode and brakes that will not stop if you really need to. In long downhills this is very stressing! Another thing that is easily to be solved with better brakes � air brakes if air suspension is available � and better transmission there are many options on better much better transmissions available if Ford wants to do better�.
And buyers will pay. Our coach is older but it is a Newmar own by 1 couple that ordered it from factory. We have been nothing but pleased. Camp on!!! But I heard a lot of engine and road noise in the video and I think that would drive me nuts. I tow with.
It was much quieter and I had no trouble traveling from Fl to Wyoming and down through Utah and back to Fl. Getting between 12 and 13 mpg with 4 people in the truck. So I have to stay with a TT until I can. Thank you for your post and safe travels. Keep them coming my family and I love to see your videos. I appreciate your honesty.
Great video and perspective. We have been FT in or Excursion for 6 months now, and love it. We travel primarily in the west, so we love the comfort of having the engine brake on the big mountain passes. BTW, did you guys ever name your current coach??? These improvements made the gas coach much more pleasant to drive. My wife and I enjoy your posts, thank you! Do the 5-Star Tune, it is worth every dollar. Very true. I drive a 40ft Winnebago and tow a Jeep.
My unit runs great. Like others have mentioned prior, there are some definite improvements you can make to help with the issues they mention. A steering stabilizer we use Roadmaster and a rear heavy duty anti-sway bar. Our next and final suspension upgrade will be Sumo rear springs. Overall, the Ford V10 does well. We live in Northwest with some serious mountains. The coach we purchased was I our budget and has an awesome floor plan.
We have to take it slow on the hills, but if you own an RV you should not be in any kind of a hurry. That being said, I would agree, if money was not an issue, I would purchase a diesel pusher and rely on others to work on the engine.
We drove both gas and diesel before purchasing. There is no comparison: diesel wins should we say Wynns?. Powerful � HP Cummins M11 and HUGE torque; easy conversation while traveling � pusher engine; stable � 8 outboard airbags and HWH auto-leveling; all terrain capable with ease, whether uphill or down � 6 speed Allison transmission with retarder retarder is fabulous downhill and keeps the driver from needing brakes, so they are completely fresh if a sudden slowdown or stop is required.
The coach is an absolute delight to drive. And we went the whole hog: AquaHot heating using the same diesel fuel. Unlimited hot water, along with engine pre-heat and silent furnace all you hear is the fan. We have already used the AquaHot this year in the mountains during cold, autumn overnights. The downside? We purchased a coach several years older than our original target age.
We found a quality coach, in great shape, offered by a private owner. Oil changes and maintenance? Think gallons of oil, not quarts. Engine service with filters can be several hundred dollars. Be sure you have the support network needed for the brand you purchase. Great review ,thanks! Just wondering if the lower ground clearance in the Excursion would reduce your ability to wild camp in some areas where the Bounder has a higher ground clearance??
Thank you, very good points and I was wondering if after awhile you guys would share your thoughts on this debate. I know we will def choose Diesel. I Picked up a Newmar Scottsville 37 footer with 25k on it. The trip from Florda to Md averaged just a hair over 11 mpg. I was told to expect 8 mpg. I love the floor plan layout. She seems to have plenty of power in reserve. It gets better low end torque taking off and reaches speed fairly quick. I was looking for a diesel pusher but fell into a great deal and was able to pay it in full without a loan.
This is my first motor home and I live in it full time for the last 4 months. I want to try it out and see how I like living in it before dumping a ton of money. I do have work coming up in NC and a tiny home to build in Vermont for a 70 yr old lady that is a full timer Mercedes leisure Diesel class b.
A lot of people on the forums said to stay away from the triton V10 for the above mentioned reason. My thought was a v10 should have better performance, higher rpm because of stroke length and the pistons are smaller. I think this works better in sports cars And not so much on the power end. Thanks for taking the time and posting all the vids and blogs. Hope to cross paths one day and say hi.
My husband and I are relative newbies, having only owned our gas RV since Dec. We went with gas because we decided to FT for 2 years and then make a decision about where to live vs continue; because gas was so much cheaper here in the east as least and because we found a coach we really liked that was second hand and happened to be gas. We also completely changed the interior decor and set up. So far we love it.
My brother who knows a lot about trucks told us that the diesel option would give us more torque but basically said what you did-if we were going to travel relatively short distances and dry camp then diesel would probably not be better.
Right now, we are parked at the Winnebago factory where we decided to stop-we were nearby in MN and on our way south-to have things checked out. And luckily for us that is when I discovered a tiny leak that will have to be addressed.
I have yet to see why we would ever want to switch to diesel. It seems to be more expensive to fix, most of the people we talk to are getting the same mileage 6. It all comes down to your budget. Sounds like the transmission is more the issue. The cruise control may need adjustment. The cat convertior sounds noisy. See, Alaska does beat up motorhomes. The frequent gassing up would really bug me. I have an ancient Roadtrek Popular and love it and its mpg.
Thanks for posting. Much food for thought. Serious question: Are the RVs always that noisy inside? The noise on your video sounds like you are riding in a freight car. But is it really that noisy all the time? I think that would drive me crazy even on a short trip. But I do have a lot to learn, still. Except when you are driving on a bad road or your transmission downshifts at the first site of a hill � like in the video.
Its nothing like a car so there will always be some noise but some of the squeaks and rattles can be fixed. We have been on some very treacherous roads so there are some squeaks and rattles that will be fixed on ours so it will be better. Plus our microphone pics up every little noise.
I think I know what the noise and other issues are! It keeps moving around. If it was kept stationary, I think it might help. It might make that engine purrrrrrr�. So we just let it have its way. Very grateful for all the advice, suggestions to incorporate in my joining the RV world!
What I could afford was a new Ford diesel to pull a used Forester Falstaff 5th wheel. Our first road trip summer of followed some of your routes�we left Florida, headed to Green Bay, west to Montana and Glacier National, south to Yellowstone and then zigzagged back to Florida. So I agree�if you are going to travel.. We have started searching for a diesel pusher we can afford�and still have money for gas and groceries! Hope to meet you on the road! RV Jane. Great post Jason.
I have been waiting on your report for awhile and was not disappointed. I just finished my first big trip in my Bounder 35K. I basically do exactly as you said and baby the cruise by turning it off prior to a hill. Its not the best but really not a big deal since I am driving anyways.
I primary bought the bounder with a lot of research and your blogs. I am very happy with my coach and the features for price I have. I love the bounder interior and living set up, the flex steel furniture is still the best comfort of all the coaches I looked at and that included a few of the mid range diesels. I know if in 5 to 6 years I go to a full time RV lifestyle I will look at trading in for a diesel and I look forward to it.
I am very happy to see the ride post on here as I have already been aware of some of the sway and stabilizer improvements available and probable be getting them next spring before prime RV season for me. We have locked up the brakes on both versions and on our rental gas coach I was certain we were going to die and kill off half of the freeway in the process. The coach pitched dramatically, pulled sharply to the left, and the suspension made it difficult to steer during the emergency braking.
In both of our diesel coaches we have required emergency stops and each time were amazed at the response of the suspension and braking system to stop us safely, giving us control of the steering and stopping in a much shorter distance.
We would put our money into an older diesel coach instead of buying a newer gas coach for no other reason than safety. If viewers doubt what I am saying, an emergency road maneuver is a convincing exercise.
As you also noted, we enjoy talking with each other while driving which is so much easier with a rear diesel�and finally�. We are now down in Sacramento so if you two swing by let us know�would love to see you! I love following your adventures!
Just a note. We have traveled around the US and made many other trips. We have had the same experiences as far as noise, sway, braking and fuel economy. It all is about the money. Otherwise we would sell and go to a diesel RV.
Hey guys, thanks for the video. That really sums it up nicely. And the roar of the gasser comes across very realistic. I downsized from a DP and you note some important points. I have a Bounder 35K but it still has the 5 speed tranny. The 6 speed came off the Ford line the same time mine actually came off the FW line.
FW is now starting to ship the 6 speed Ford chassis. The gas V8 simply cannot compare. The air ride on the diesel was awesome. There was no sway, no getting tossed around by wind or trucks going by.
Air brakes on a diesel were phenomenal. Again not a fair comparison to a hydraulic gasser brakes. The lack of Sams Club Tubes For Boats 02 engine roar from the rear engine diesel was a pure pleasure going up hills. I did not get the same mpg you said in your video. My diesel was a 36 footer and I was pulling a 12 foot trailer with a big motorcycle in it and a whole bunch of offer stuff.
I averaged I think I got 8. Certainly not double the gasser. Did you really get double than your DP? I can see that on the Vesta And the maintenance on the diesel was considerably more expensive. All that said I still bought a gasser.
A brand new gasser. Yeah, I will probably think about it every time I go up a hill. And quickly forget it, turn the music up, and enjoy the fact I have a lot more money in my bank account than if I went with a diesel. Oh, and I forgot to mention there are a number of quick, relatively inexpensive fixes for the sway problem look up CHF Ford Chassis, rear track bar and the transmission shifting issues look up 5 star tuning.
Thanks again for taking the time to do all the videos. It is great information. Stay safe and enjoy the journey. Another great posting, thanks a bunch! Computer ECU reprogramming is what you want as mentioned above. Things I do to make the gas engine not work so hard: 1. I think a great addition to the gas coaches would be transmission shift paddles on the steering wheel, this would allow you to control engine revs a bit easier.
When cruise is on and I am entering an incline I try to downshift one gear before the computer downshifts the transmission automatically. Doing this provides the necessary torque required to get the rig over the hill without turning off cruise control. Seems to work well for me. With regards to the ride, I usually weigh my rig front axel and back axel separately then adjust my tire pressure accordingly to handle the weight vice running max pressure all the time. You would be amazed at the ride difference.
The one comparison that I feel is also important is the cost of routine maintenance, diesel verses gas. We own a Fleetwood Bounder 35K and I agree, when it is pulling hard the noise level is uncomfortable. That said, wwe, like you, find differences in braking distances, fuel economy and the like. Of course one stop for an oil and filter change does offset the fuel economy issue.
We full time in our rig, stay at RV resorts primarily love full hookup sites and love our floor plan. Love your blog and look forward to each issue. Watching your review and comparing your gas to diesel motorhomes, I said ditto, ditto, ditto, etc. I have had 3 gas rigs mainly because of purchase price. Every time I saw a pusher going down the road, I had diesel envy. The gas units were more like driving a big van. The diesel pusher is a whole new thing. They are much more complex to operate and maintain.
It is not impossible to learn, but there is a learning curve. I used to maintain my gas units or my local garage could do what I could Tubes For Boats Sams Club Inc not.
The cost of maintenance on the diesel is higher and you may find that you are out of your league. As stated in the video, if cost is not an issue, the diesel is my preferred ride.
Buy what you can buy and enjoy the ride. Love your posts and videos�been following you 2 from the first adventure�very entertaining and useful information.
Nikki is by far the star!! Love that equalization experience. So to all of us�. Just love you guys!! The information you provide is wonderful. The pictures and videos are fantastic, as well! Be well and stay happy. I tow my toy hauler trailer with my F, 3. My research has found that big improvements come from adding Sumo Springs�this helps the side to side a lot, better Bilstein shocks, a heavier sway bar and steering system�forgot what the steering add on is.
Also 5 Star tune which is an engine computer program will make the engine shift much smoother. This mod is very highly rated. Probably around k installed for all this. Another thing I did on my Unity Sprinter is to have the entire driver and passenger compartment fitted with Dynamat for sound deadening. Jason could probably do this himself. You need to remove the carpet and get to the metal underneath.
I wonder if the video sound made the engine noise worse than it was or not? Your sounded rather noisy compared to our rear engine diesel. It all comes down to cost. It is a beautiful coach but the diesel will cost you more up front and give you 3 times the longevity and reliability.
Plain and simple it just comes down to what one wants to spend. But, will that off set the upfront and running cost for the diesel plus factor in better handling and hill climbing the diesel will deliver. Thanks for the informative ride. It pointed me in the right direction. Cost is a factor in purchasing a diesel for us, but ride is a factor in wanting one. A short test drive on a smooth highway and through a terribly bumpy parking lot did me in for the rest of the day.
We are anxious to test drive more non-entry level gassers as well as entry level diesels to see which one is best for us, but all that bouncing around would most certainly prevent me from traveling�which we are both longing to do. Class Cs appear to be completely out of the question because of the rough ride. Has anyone had to deal with the ride vs.
My parents were full time for 10 years and my dad will not even consider gas. He says if you intend to live in your RV there is no option besides diesel. Thanks for the information as always it is helpful. There are a few people on irv2. Manufacturers web sites are starting to be updated to show he 6-speed as well.
That quirky cruise�? Along with those, we have owned countless Fs, Rangers, and once a Ford Freestyle. My SportTrac is sitting pretty at K miles. I drive a one ton chassis E with the Triton V at work. Recently Got our first coach, we selected an older diesel with a large six cylinder Cat horsepower.
We are hoping to get the best of both worlds; purchase price of Gas with the power, durability, and ride of diesel. I have maintained internal combustion engines for over 40 years now; that Ford V is gonna be REAL tired after , miles� Catipillar? Just getting loose and ready to work. As a full-time RVer, I have driven a 32 ft motor home with the Ford Triton V for 5 years over 13, miles throughout the Southwest, Southeast and Atlantic States, and recently purchased a 38 ft Georgetown, with a similar engine.
Sure you lose speed climbing long uphill grades�but, unless you drive solely in the Rockies, how many times do you have to do that?
In my case, few. Sounds like Diesel if you can afford it. In your travels in Alaska have you talked to other travelers about the Mercedes Diesel on a Sprinter chassis. They are smaller and cheaper but I was wondering about the performance?
Taking everything in consideration, would you choose the Bounder preferred floor plan or the Excursion diesel? Great video! I will be interested to see if it reduces the questions you get on the subject. I have a Tiffin gasser and have come to the same conclusions as you guys. There are things that can be done to improve the situation. The first thing is a reprogram by 5 Star Tuning.
For the side to side sway there are Sumo Springs. Tiffin now installs these at the factory. It was an option in but I have heard that it may be standard in I think almost everyone reports improvement of sway. You have to be sure to get the ones that attach at both ends to get the full effect.
I have heard that most production is going to Tiffin now so they are getting hard to find. Just a forum rumor. I also installed a rear track bar and a steering stabilizer. I have gotten used to the brakes on mine and typically use the tow haul button when coming to a stop.
Mine does seem to stop better now with 13, miles on it. It still takes a heck of Sams Club Tubes For Boats Australia a lot of effort to stop hard. My biggest issue personally is getting gas. There is no way around that. You just have to stop more frequently. I am able to do all the work myself on the gasser. Maybe I could with a diesel but it would be more difficult. That being said I continue to look at DPs and have come very close to pulling the trigger a couple of times. I have a daughter in college and a son who will be starting soon.
The cost difference will pay for a lot of tuition. Did I mention that I love my Tiffin? Rod, What has your gas mileage been? I have a F, 5. I experience the same forced down shift when using cruise control. The truck handles the load with ease, but on steep grades it will force down to 3rd gear, when using cruise control.
What I have read about the new 6 speed transmission, it will be set up to operate the same as my F 6 speed. It will also downshift when braking to help slow the vehicle. The flexibility of manual options on my 6 speed sounds like it would be a great improvement on the F53 Chassis.
Thanks for all the info. Sorry for the delayed reply. I have not been checking mpg lately but the first long trip we did in our motorhome from central Texas to Tacoma, Washington and back we got 8. That was towing nothing but generally driving it like it I stole it.
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