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I second this. There is plenty of information out there about how the Bush administration ignored the problem despite lawsuits filed during his administration by environmental agencies about the pollution the ships were causing. Here are some outside sources:. The fact that the have been sitting on this report for months is infuriating.
Bay Area citizens have the right to know the environmental impact of the mothball fleet which is why we are putting pressure on the Bush administration to let us know what, if any, plans they have to protect our Bay. George Miller, D-Martinez. Those are just the facts. Maybe if the enviromental implications affected the rich population more then he would have been prompted to react accordingly. Not all those ships just sit there unused.
During the Bush administration and the readiness operations leading to both wars in the hunt for terrorists and the overthrow of the dictator in Iraq, I was directly involved in pulling six ships out of mouthball from the fleet in Texas and restoring them to active duty. These ships served proudly one more time and then were put back into mouthball, making sure that all of the ships were sealed with dehumidifiers in case they were need again.
Your breach on these vessels could have long lasting effects, if you as a layman, breached these systems for your story. They will now lay open to the elements so they can rot. Terry, I understand what you are saying about breaching the ships� but some of the pictures prove these vessals will NEVER again see active duty�.
I am glad they did what they did. Kudos to you gentlemen for making this happen�!!! Those ships have many stories to tell�. I like the pictures because I served on some of those ships. BUT, the photographer should stick to the pictures and leave politics out of it. If you will recall all of the opposition to some of the ships to be tore down for scrap in UK. With that being said� typical left wing political views did not need to be expressed, more so because they do not stand up to the true facts.
Better to have just posted the photos by themselves�.. Well said, Kenneth! I think the political statements would have been better off left unsaid too! These are facts. You go on to quote his statements about the lawsuits during the Bush Adm. How does this make any sense to you? Would that not have saved them for future use in a more economical and ecological manner? Seems it would be more cost effective imagine that , or is that a security issue having a more cost effective and efficient placement for all of those stages?
Stop throwing blame and just do something about it� they spend more oxygen throwing blame out of their mouths than they do addressing and fixing the problems.
When they first created that mothball fleet in Susin bay there was a naval base called Mare Island in Vallejo, just a few miles away.
At that time all the refitting work could have been done there. It has long since been closed. I spent 6 years working on political staffs and the past 8 years working in homeland and national security.
Obama has bankrupted the Nation, failed to secure our fuel supply, insists on forcing higher electrical costs during what is stastically a greater depression than the Great Depression. Why do you think the cost of oil is skyrocketing? Do you get the implications of the presence of the Palestanian flag at protests in each of one of those countries and European countries?
Are you hoping to dance on the graves of Jews and the Israeli state too? The man left the White House over 2 years ago!! Any chance you and your friends could learn grammar? Neuro, He may have inherited the debt�. When the Democrats are in full control they spend money as fast as they can. That being said, the financial bailouts were necessary or the entire economy could have crashed which would probably have caused a worldwide economic depression.
The regulations or lack of oversight that caused that crash should be laid at the feet of the Bush administration. We are far overdue for an overhaul of the system. Senator Kennedy was once reported to have said that the Democrats missed the boat then and should have agreed because once started down the road, it gets easier to make small changes that continue to evolve the system. Like it or not, we need more taxes, less spending and have to get started on healthcare and social security fixes.
Do any of you realize that Social Security taxable income has an annual cap that changes with inflation? If the cap were removed and ALL earned income was subject to the tax most of the pending deficit in the Social Security Fund would be removed. Oh, to be fair I would support an increase in the maximum Social Security payout for those paying the increased taxes. That would mean that more other fixes would be needed but they would be a lot smaller in size.
I would expect that a few state of the art private hospitals would remain, serving the super wealthy for whoom cost is unimportant. Definitely is political. Photography only brings in what is there that so many people turn away from in reality. Unfortunately, the politics were there long before the ships were�. Had there been no mention of politics in this article, it still looms as heavy as the ships the photos are of. Reality bites�.. Fact: Clinton benefited from a period of peace and sat on huge budget surpluses for much of his admin provided by a replublican congress and did NOTHING about this rotting mess.
Fact: American was attacked a few months after Bush took office and he was forced to take this nation into a massive and expensive global war to fight the terrorist bastards murdering innocent Americans here and abroad by the thousands.
I gave up trying to reason with bubble headed artist types many years ago and learned to just enjoy their craft. I agree that the photography is incredible! The writings of your escapades adds life to the photography.
Scott, you guys are awesome! No aircraft parts, no engines, no luggage strewn about, and no bodies� according the photos by the news crews that arrived with and after the first-responders. This phenomena has never before, or since, occurred related to a land-crash of a commercial aircraft. Even a small jet fighter like an F, they always find the engine. However, they fell at free-fall speed, which is only possible with controlled-demolition.
Yes, America was attacked by terrorists� within our own government. Bin Laden stated after that he had nothing to do with it. Conrad, you type well for a man staring at his screen though a couple tiny holes in a tin-foil hat.
Jason, you sound like a thoughtful person, so let me give you the perspective of a man who served 21 years in the US military through three wars � two in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. They, like me, saw the danger faced by all free peoples by the monsters running loose and mulitplying in those cesspools. The ships that these brave photographers have documented for us here are fading echoes of previous struggles gainst murderous tyrants.
I, like you, am working in my own way for the day that men can stop investing such precious treasure in instruments of war or stop shedding the sacred blood of free Americans on foreign shores in defense of liberty, not only for ourselves, but also for our posterity. However, like all the brave folks who served on these ships and in spite of my advancing years, my oath to you and to all Americans is to be ever vigilant and prepared to take up arms against those who would take that liberty away.
Sadam and the Taliban were preparing to do just that. In an era of nuke and bio weapons, ubiquitous ICBM technology and cyber warfare, the margin for error is very small indeed and the window for effective action close very quickly before delay turns into tragic loss. These ships hearken to a bygone era when we could see conflict coming from a great distance and wars were planned and prepared for many months and years in advance.
Those days are gone forever. I for one know we did the right thing and our children will be free to marvel at these great pictures and contemplate the history they represent because of the sacrifice of our troops in these wars.
We would be negligent to do otherwise. We did do the right thing and the world is a safer place because of our action and sacrifice there, just like it is for the dirty business these ships and crews had to take care of during their service.
Not even brain damaged children are as naive, trusting, and foolish as this. The Cheney doctrine ensured that any justification at all, real or not, was good enough to commit war crimes including war for profit-profits that went directly to Cheney, to Bush supporters and cronies, and big time Republican donors.
Billions of dollars literally were airlifted into Iraq only to disappear with no accounting of where it went. Obama is too big a chicken to investigate and prosecute these war crimes, which include torture and murder of children in military custody, in Cuba, Iraq, and Afghanistan. We have looked for terrorists and found ourselves staring in the mirror at a monster that blindly lashes out and murders people for money.
We are a nation run by gangsters, a nation of accomplices. We built Saddam Hussein up just as we built up Gaddafi and hundreds of other tyrants great and small, and we can replace them with new tyrants whenever they stop playing ball. General Smedley Butler, USMC, put it all out when he wrote that war is a racket, writing about his career of invading countries that refused to knuckle under to our business interests-Brown Brothers Harriman, where the Bush family made its money working for the Nazi regime, as a prime example.
The photos are great. Thank you for serving our country, and seeing first hand what is being done in Iraq. I think your comment in this topic is a valid one, and not the comments that others are making as they search the interent for some points to copy and paste.
They are so brain washed that there is no point in trying to talk to them. Is this what passes for reasoning among these people?
Thank you for your service Jim, and realize that there are still some people out here in reality land that appreciate what you and others have done to make the world a better and safer place.
And this man didnt deserve to be taken out??? But I hear people whining because we dont do more to help Libya and Syria and all of those nations??? Also before the towers where bombed the world was astounded that the US was so prude in worrying about Clinton and Monica Lewinsky�. You realize that Sadam was supported for many years by the US.
Yes, he was a dictator but his formost enemy was Syria. Since we were unhappy with Syria we supported Sadam as a counterbalance. His base of support in Iraq was actually a minority group, so to keep control he had to repress the majority, a situation that never ends well. Dean I hope you realize you are addressing a man that has signed his life away to defending the very right that you have to talk on here as such.
Everyone hates the police till their own house is threatened. Also no one knows the threat until they have actually faced it. People like you are the ones that led America into waiting until Hitler became big enough to kill many more thousands of our servicemen before we did anything to stop him. That is the trouble with averting catastrophe, none ever realizes what could have happened. Just say someone had arrested all those terrorist before they entered those planes.
No one would have seen the tragedy that was We also would have been called paranoid if we had acted earlier but at least people would still be alive even as we are taking your crap about being paranoid. Anyways I think the idiots are those with their heads in the sand pretending there is no threat to our way of life.
Me hopes that if the next attack comes it is at least close enough to you that you realize that, yes there are enemies out there who live to do us the US citizen harm. Are you mad? Just one? Leave the politics garbage out of this, the gentlemen did an outstanding job and for you to deface such a wonderful work of art with the scum bag is a travisesty! Here are statements from your democrat leaders before Bush got into office and afterwards. That is our bottom line.
For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. John F. Kerry D, MA , Oct. And yes I did serve for 21 years in the Navy. Hated the pictures of the old ships, their legacy will go on until the last sailor that served upon them is gone�.
There is a difference between looking at evidence and purposely falsifying it versus looking at evidence that no one knew was wrong thereby drawing wrong conclusions. You cannot blame Bush without also blaming the heads of state in Germany, England, Australia and 15 other countries. They were all looking at the same evidence. Because America bullied them into tagging along. Because they are the 4 countries along with the US that are the actual super countries.
Now there are coups in the middle east, ghaddaffis gold reserves are being jacked by the US because your country is broke as fuck. My sentiments exactly. We are dealing with SF liberals of course.
Neither did Nancy Pelosi when she was Speaker of the House. These pictures were awesome. I would just rather see them destroyed than see the bay destroyed. The author brought politics into it, which pissed people off because he chose to make it political instead of just leaving it at a fascinating story.
I agree�did u really need to bring Bush into the story??? There are a lot more important things that required his attention than a few rusting ships. He has been outta office for over 2 years and liberals like this guy are still blaming him for anything that they can think of!!
Give it a rest. No need to get political in a story like this. Bush screwed up Texas and then he screwed up the country. In the last couple of days I have heard two different stories on the news about how the majority of the new jobs in the US have been created in Texas because of their good business environment, and in fact many of those jobs are in companies that used to be in California and were forced out by the oppressive taxation and regulation.
I think you guys have done a great thing taking pictures of these ships, in order to preserve the history of these ships, they fought in great wars. WWII being my favorite to learn about and i have done alot of study on. Thank yall for taking the chances and risks that you took just to get pictures of something so special to OUR history�.
He is a bumbling fumbling MORON that should be taken to the south forty and be completely eliminated both for the good of humanity and this Country. Yeah turd criminal obama spending blah blah.
You guys crack me up!!. Try a little research and the history will crystallize before you. The party distinctions are only a magicians distraction of the masses. IF we were to actually wake up and reprise our tormentors things might actually change. Sadly I doubt it.
By the way ,I am neither demo or repub,I am communist. Navy HT2. Great pictures by the way. Come on people! The last spotlighting incident sounds like the security boat was having a discussion whether they wanted to have to deal with writing it all up. The paperwork theory is definitely one idea we thought of. Undoubtedly they saw you. They probably accessed the risk you guys posed and then decided there was little point in messing with you.
They are guarding a fleet of decaying ships after all. Good on them for not being jerks and good on you guys for documenting this reminent of another era. Sea Shadow was a secret stealth type ship they built back in I wish they had taken some photos of the interior. The Sea Shadow was locked up tight.
Otherwise we would have been right in there, first thing � trust me! I wish we had gone inside too! It may look wide open, but the door was actually locked albeit with a cheap Masterlock.
Something else of interest on the Sea Shadow. The barge it is in is of substantial historical value as well. So why did that stop you?
S Navy has tried to give the Sea Shadow away but as of February nobody has taken the offer. Bond fan here. Sorry, you credit the wrong Bond movie. If I was filthy rich so I could afford to restore and maintain it, I would definitely take care of it.
Too bad the cost of just keeping it seaworthy and in harbor would probably go into several hundred thousand dollars per year if not more. When you get partisan, you risk turning off half of your potential audience no matter which side you choose.
How is stating fact a partisan thing? Talk about partisan. My career these past 15 years has been in sales or sales training. In politics it is the same way; politicians ARE selling something. The best orators such as Reagan and Obama know this, do it very well and move the populace thusly. Factually the author is correct, as far as the media will report it; Bush gets the blame.
However, others have pointed out that the ships have been there for years factually correct as well and it is simple posturing to express that Bush deserves the fault.
Clinton could have done something too. It just was not politicially necessary for him to make the call. Personally, I am glad the ships are being retired, either as artifical reefs or as scrap metal for reuse. So politics aside for a moment. The government during the Bush years was held to a higher standard than Clinton and others on the environmental issues. So there were a few rules or laws put in place concerning how you could dispose of these. Side note to you guys, hope you were wearing masks all of the time you walked through ticking timebombs full of asbestos and other toxic breathable materials.
Used to be they just took these things out used them for target practice, or sent them to India to scrap out. Most of this was done at little cost to taxpayers the ultimate responsible body. With the new rules, due to the toxic materials the government had to find places that would use the proper tools and methods for scrapping a hulk that had all of that toxic material in it.
NOTE: shipping companies still beach their ships on the coast of India for scrapping. The rules changed for the better during Bush on how and where you could dispose of these. There was an uproar on a ship going to the UK back during Bush, but that was one of the places that could dismantle the thing safely. By the way it went from near zero give it away or get some contractor to pay for the ship to nearly 10M dollars per ship. I am not writing a thesis for you all to pull apart.
Go look it up yourself. The reality is that Environmentalists pushed for new rules regarding the disposal of asbestos and other materials A good thing even to my slightly right view , but then to turn around and blame an administration for the faults of other administrations is rather interesting. Sure Bush got sued. But where were all of the lawsuits during Clinton years? Or for that matter Johnson, Nixon, etc..
This has been an issue for a long time. And of course the disposal rate slowed down during Bush, they had new rules to contend with, and those are still in effect. Anyway, truth be told, the photos are better with the story of how they were taken and what they saw than the political statements.
If you want to be political then put up some raw data, show how many of these were disposed of during each administration, and what the cost of that was for each administration. That would show what a real problem this is for all of us. And we the people have a hand in not pushing this issue harder and earlier. That might require critical thinking. Pingback: LinkUnderground.
This is amazing!! Awesome that you guys have the balls to do this sort of adventuring. As usual these days, nonsensical liberal claptrap gets in the way of reality. What does it matter anyway? Pingback: What price would you pay?
Fun stuff. Thanks for sharing. I could not help myself and had to look at a satellite view. I have just one question, Where and How the hell did you get the pics of the Sea Shadow. That is our first Stealth ship and as far as I knew it was still a test bed. A friend of mine Aluminum Jon Boat Plans Free Range and I were amazed to see pics of it here on your site. It looked like it was in some kind of dry dock, can you give us some more info on where you saw that?
Did you make it inside of it? Everything you had was amazing. They would tow this barge with Sea Shadow inside out on the bay at night for testing. The whole shebang was then moved to San Diego and then recently showed-up at the mothball fleet. I travel the Benicia Bridge often and still see the barge knowing thanks to these photographers that the Shadow is still inside docked on the side of one of the rows of ships and closest to the shore.
This is awesome. The photos are obviously cool, but the story of your seemingly narrow escape made it much cooler. I think its incredible that you stumbled upon our only stealth ship, the Sea Shadow. Its just tucked away, not talked about or advertised, top notch technology just stored in a dying ship. Thats amazing that you got to see it.
I would have busted that master lock off so fast. Theres probably less than a handful of people who have had the privilege of seeing the interior.
That would be a monumental and expensive task to rig up for the relatively low likelihood of trespassers. But then it would not have been as thrilling, or made such a cool story.
Are you afraid that you might be tracked down now? Those are awesome. I grew up near there and rode a boat out to them once. I wish I had been interested in photography then. Pingback: Bag of Randomness. These guys breaking and entering into the ships have temporarily eliminated museum access to Susuin Bay Reserve Fleet. Groups have asked and been given permission for photography in the past, you probably had a pretty good chance of safe and legal access to the ships.
Did you ever meet and get to know the really helpful bureaucrats that run SBRF? I have worked with them as a museum ship volunteer since and know these guys really care about their community and try to do everything they can under the law to help outside groups. They are proud of the many non-profits not just museums that have recovered equipment, blankets, kitchen gear, etc.
Millions of dollars a year of equipment is recovered from these ships before scrapping. As a result of this blog MARAD has stopped all ship visits for museums until they can re-secure every door and hatch on all the ships.
They are going to change the way we work on the ships requiring more escort labor that is already in short supply. They will spend more of their limited budget on security patrols and less on taking care of the ships. All of this is bad news for the museums and other non-profits at a time when the WW II and Korean era ships are being moved out for scrapping at a very fast pace.
Museums will loose the opportunity to recover valuable equipment forever so these guys could have fun. The photos are beautiful, the photographers had a great adventure, but they came at a very high cost to others. We are all thankful that they did not fall in an unsecured hole, or bad ladder. Legit trips to do photography, and they have approved these often in the past, are likely to be harder to come by. We never broke a single thing. To claim that we did so is disingenuous and misleading.
We are proud of what we did, because the vast majority of the ships we photographed are now gone, being melted away in Beaumont or Vallejo. I meant breaking their rules. Within the scope of some pretty reasonable rules they have been very cooperative in the past and not just with museum groups. I not only admit, I really appreciate that you are a great photographer and the images are beautiful. I also appreciate the beauty found in industrial settings. For example, I have worked with another great photographer Bruce Ecker to shoot panos in many interesting places.
They did this out of love for their mission and of historic ships. I am also truly sorry that our trips aboard the fleet inadvertently led to access being restricted to the USS Hornet Museum, et. The photos are lovely. But the adventure seems at least as self serving as historical.
You had no intentions other than self-aggrandizement and selling illegal images. Thanks for messing up access for the rest of us.
Excellent point, Rich. John, stop playing with words. Worse yet you are selling pictures and attempting to profit from it, so get down off that high horse of yours. Wow, I love your work. My Stepfather served two years on the USS Iowa and went to the persian gulf in it before it was decommissioned.
I spent a lot of time on that ship as a child. I remember one of the days My stepfather came back from sea in it, It was pouring down rain and by time we made it inside the ship I was soaked to the bone and cold. The one thing that warmed me right up is their baskets full of Battle Chip cookies that they had on hand in the mess hall all of the time. Thanks for sharing these pictures and your story. I am US Navy Veteran. I love the pictures, I hate that the author had to bring politics into the arena.
We are willing to pay to see you act, hear you sing, marvel at you photography, etc. That is all. Please just do what you do best, and stop with the political BS!! Along with Nixon, Ford, Carter�. Take pictures, post pictures, tell about the pictures, and even your adventure obtaining them. Thank you. Pingback: Photos from the amazing "Ghost Ship" fleet Gadling.
Para Dentistas, futuros Dentistas e pacientes. Yes, you came out of the experience okay and your pictures are very good.
Is a picture worth it? I know of which I speak because I am a canine search and rescue handler as well as a photographer. Nope Lynda, I am sure none of that crossed his mind. But in addition to the physical hazards, he exposed himself to some very dangerous chemical and biological hazards as well.
Once they fail they push the agendas on the national stage. Lynda, this is what guys do. We crave adventure. As a kid, I used to sneak into the mothballed Naval Ammunition Depot near Charlotte for the same reason: just to know what was there. Mom scolded but understood. Men gotta be men. Wish I could have gone on this one. Is that the best you can do? I am also a historian, archivist and WWII historian. I agree with previous posters that it is people like you who jeopardize apportunities for others who pursue legal means.
I sincerely hope you get your adventurous butt hauled into federal court yes, you were trespassing on federal property and go to a federal detention facility. That should be a good adventure for you. And, as a nurse, after you get rescued by Lynda, you get to come and see me.
Guys, not just children, crave adventure. Or for that matter the police putting you in jail for the night. There are generally good reasons that most places are off limits to the public without going through proper channels. So let me get this straight. You trespassed on Federal property, which is a felony, broke into ships took photos of the insides of these ships, wrote narration about your trespassing and then posted it to the internet. Just how stupid are you? What you did was also incredibly dangerous and reckless.
The inside of any ship, especially mothballed ships, is a very dangerous place. Since no one knew you were on those ships, because you entered them illegally, had you or any of your fellow criminals been injured, you may have DIED before help could arrive. You are no doubt aware of a little known property of steel�..
And when it rusts it loses structural integrity. Suppose you stepped on a rusted ladder, fell through the ladder through a hatch below it and fell another deck onto sharp, rusted debris. Did you happen to notice all those overheads falling down? Or refractory around pipes falling apart and falling down? How about all that black mold which was everywhere. Do you know what that was? And when you inhale the spores which are airborne all the time, but especially when you and your fellow trespassers walked over the stuff and disturbed it and they germinate in your lungs and later your blood , they secrete a deadly neurotoxin which cause irreversable neurological damage.
Well congratulations I am glad you got your mediocre photos. But in the process you effed it up for everyone else to follow and exposed yourself to some very dangerous chemicals and biological agents.
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You can build this 74lb, 16 foot canoe using redwood strips, an old boat-building technique. Two persons can sit side by side in the center with one person at each end and plenty of room for gear. You lay up the strips, remove the form, and the canoe is complete, except for fiberglassing and putting in the seats. The plans can also be used to build a foot version of this strip planked canoe.
This means that while she can accommodate two in outrageous comfort, she can easily take a family of four on an extended vacation and be entirely self-contained. The dining table, in the rear section of the cabin, seats four and then drops down to convert into an extra bunk 6 ft.
Cabin headroom is 6 ft. Bayou Belle is a 25' scow that can be built as a sports utility, a fishing boat, or a houseboat, depending on your requirements for pleasure offshore. As a sports utility, she can be used for towing water skiers and for cruising, as a fishing boat, she offers a stable platform with plenty of elbow room and stowage space. Construction of Bayou Belle makes use of prefabricated sections, which means that much of the work can be done indoors in the average garage during the cold winter months, and the boat completed outdoors in time for launching in late spring.
A houseboat is a unique water craft in that it combines most of the comforts of home with the mobility of a boat.
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