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This is where my love of ship building was born. Seeing that majestic ship come together and knowing that I made that happen created a love of this hobby and filled that void that other models were not able to do. I know my story is in the minority of first time ship builders. I also know that models are put on hold for many reasons other than burnout.
My dad's had to stop because he had me, was going to college, working 2 jobs and then my mom died. He has built models since but never had the time to complete his Constitution before the ship got ruined. A friend of mine from the Navy has a great model railroad layout that never got completed since he was constantly getting deployed and now is getting ready to retire and move so he has to disassemble it.
Just recently my own build has stopped as I found out last week my dog of 11 years has cancer, no way to fix it and we had to put him down yesterday. My wife and I are still devastated over this loss. I think it is wise of us as a community of experienced builders to encourage first timers to choose easier kits as it is a shame to see so many unfinished builds out there.
However, I do not think we should discourage them if they choose to take on a harder one to start. Instead, be sure to constantly follow their builds and try to offer help and suggestions on how to get through those tough areas when they are reached. We do not always know what outside circumstances may cause a build to stop.
You and Chris raise valid points. There are those who start a build log, realize they're in way over their heads and give up. There are others, who start a log, realize they're in way over their heads and the put that log on hold and get a simpler kit.
One of the topics over the years has been about the number of models, unfinished, sitting in an attic or basement because the builder didn't know how to do what was needed. There's two articles in the article database that explain "how to select a kit" and "what to expect in a kit". They've been offered many time to new members. Both articles have great advice. Going from plastic to wood is a big step.
Similar to going from replacing some items on your car to building one from the ground up. Same principles, just different skill set needed. In my case, my first ship was Wasa from Billings.
I opened the kit, read the directions such that they are, and put it away. I went to the hobby shop and bought a simple battle station and AL's Scottish Maid. I learned. It's humbling to realize you don't know how to do things. When those two models wiere done, I did the Wasa.
We here at MSW have also seen the same thing in scratchbuilding. Look at the logs of models never finished. Even the starters like the Triton cross-section. It's tough call on things in this hobby. MSW is based on the premise Model Ship Building For Beginners Victory that everyone wants everyone else to succeed also. Mutual support. Sometimes, the advice may seem harsh, but it's voices of experience that give it. And they give it in context of "how to learn". Some new builders do carry on and turn out a nice model but they are usually reading other logs and listening to those who have built the model.
And most would tell you, they should have started with something easier. I think it is common among many myself included , to get all enthusiastic about a new hobby, then; when the new-car-smell is gone, to loose interest. It is nothing to do with the hobby itself, just human nature. Witness that boat sitting among the weeds in the back yard, or that guitar gathering dust in the corner I am guilty of both, as well as others I can't recall at the moment.
Sometimes, you just have to try a bunch of different hobbies that strike your fancy, hoping you find one that sticks. One suggestion I would make- is to not make a build log on your first project, just read what others are doing, and ask questions. Of course, I could be mistaken. I think that the biggest problem is not just the complexity of the built but the time needed to invest. In my first two boats, on some days I could spent 7 hours building.
Now, with work and familly commitments increasing I struggle to find any time at all and I am sure my current project will take years to complete. But it is a good idea to have a built log, I find it very motivating. Jud, I think you misunderstand my motivation for starting this thread. I'm not trying to 'judge' anyone, and I'm not saying a beginner can't complete a complex model we've all seen it done. But in the pages of MSW 2. We don't send first-time skiers to the black diamond runs, and we don't let first-year medical students do heart transplants -- the same principle applies to ship models: try something commensurate with one's skills.
I'm really not trying to turn people away -- I'm trying to help them make a choice of first model that will increase their chance of staying in the hobby. Success breeds more success. And haven't we all read about the much-bemoaned demise of the hobby?
Hundreds quite literally of people quitting their attempts at building certainly doesn't alleviate that problem. I have built two or three model boats, probably with lots of mistakes, and I certainly consider myself a beginner. I have completed these models only by reading members builds on this site and trying to learn from them.
However I firmly believe that if a model is classified as suitable for a beginner then the instructions and plans should reflect this. In my limited experience this is definitely not the case. Instructions are very sparse and the plans very complicated.
If manufacturers say a model is for beginners then instructions and plans should be written with the beginner in mind. If that was the case then maybe more models would be completed and more people would carry on with this hobby. Certainly there are many factors time, ability, etc that contribute to whether one will 'stick with' this hobby, and many of those can't be quantified until you get going. But I do agree that the choice of kit can sometimes be a 'make or break' decision. I really, really want to build the Syren.
But I think it is just a little beyond my reach at the moment, so I'm picking something else for my next build.
I'm still new to this - I picked up ship building about 9 months ago. For my first build, I chose the Phantom - solid hull.
This meant no hull or deck planking, no square rigging, and no gunports or guns to build. I made a lot of mistakes. For my second build, I'm building the Bluenose. This adds basic POB stuff keel, bulkheads, etc , hull and deck planking, more detail. But I chose this particular ship because the hull is painted - my first attempt at hull planking is likely to turn out a little 'less than great', so I can learn hull planking but still use wood filler and paint to end up with a good build.
I was tempted to jump right into the Syren next even had it in my shopping cart on the Model Expo site at one point , but I decided to do another build before I take that plunge, to get some experience with square rigging and gunports. If you're getting into the hobby for the long haul, it doesn't hurt to spend some time working your way up. You learn valuable skills that will pay off when you finally get to that 'big build'. You also get a great sense of accomplishment from having successfully completed something and that is much easier to reach with a 'beginner build'.
All that being said, you have to be interested in the ship you are building. It has to catch your eye. If honestly nothing catches your eye except the Constitution, you might as well try. Better to try something and have it fizzle out than to not try at all. But if a first time builder is willing to start small, I do think it will pay off in the end.
We have had some relatively new builders do the Syren. It's not a beginner kit but the instructions do go a long way in helping the builder visualize the build as you go.
I'm very much on the fence about recommending this one, only because it has a lot of repetitive tasks I have a theory that may apply to Chris's post. When I started building my first log, I came to conclusion that my boat will never look as good as most of the builds on this site no matter what I did at the time.
Now that I have four kits under my belt I feel a lot better about posting to build logs. Unfortunately I do not have the time these days like I did 4 years ago to work on my builds. My Scotland Kit is over two years old now, still trying to get one whole day to sit down and get going on it. These people may have finished their boats but chose not to continue the log because they felt it wasn't good enough to share. Some of the people on this forum are 30 plus year veterans at this hobby and they make such beautiful ships that it may drive away novices from posting.
Who knows where these build logs have gone, just saying my theory could be valid along with people just losing interest. I found the email receipt for my Enterprise There have been a lot of reasons why its taken so long; health, end of a relationship, a death, start of another relationship, work.
The big one for me is I cant leave well enough alone and have to keep fiddling with things. Then there is that short attention span. As far as why others fail to finish? I suspect there are as many reasons why builds and build logs are abandoned as there are builders; time, money tools skills, poor instructions, overestimation of how long it will take etc etc. Keeping up a build log takes time and effort. By the time I have taken and edited pictures, written a post, edited and re-edited Gods of Spell Check I thank you it could be an hour or more.
I imagine some decide its more effort than it is worth to them. When it comes to helping others pick a first build all we can do is give anecdotal advice and hope they listen. When they ME? I know I most likely would not continued with out all the advice and encouragement I recieve d.
And building a simple boat first and progressively taking on more complex projects allows one to gradually buy the truckloads of necessary and "nice to have" stuff without the admiral realising the cost. Also, one can gradually expand and occupy space in the house that otherwise would be point blank denied. There have been quite a few who have given up on even those kits labelled as simple.
I'm not sure that there is an even simpler kit for them. It may be more that the hobby is just not for them. Check the SIZE of the finished build. Many kits when completed are a lot bigger than you think and even before completion need a fair amount of space. You can look too closely at what you are doing - my most admired build was cobbled together at speed well 4 months I wouldnt put pics of it on here and I have done much better work.
But its the one that I show off!! Never assume the aim is to finish! The "journey" is all and the hours getting a teeny piece of wood just right is so relaxing in itself. On this site here will always be someone who does it better than you but also there is also someone who may be learning from you. Personally I do regret the shortage of simple solid hulled kits of a reasonable standard for youngsters to " build along with grand dad" and for grandad to start off with!!
In I brought Artesania Latina's Endeavour. It was well beyond my ability and knowledge. No internet to help back then of course. It ended up in the parts bin one third poorly built.
Nice kit. I'm rigging it at the moment. With this forum's resources I've had no problems I could not solve or fix. I'll finish it. My ambition is to build Chris Watton's Victory if it is ever released , as a retirement project.
But I know I'll have to get a few builds under my belt before I buy a kit like that. I support the moderator's advice. If I had started with a smaller less complicated build in I may have had a house full of finished model ships by now. Anyway that's my view. I'm pleased to have returned to the hobby.. I'll post a picture when the Mars is finished. I think I'm just too slow at present with working full time to do a build log justice.
My first-time attempt was a model of Artesania's Hannah and I got into a real mess when it came to the planking. The model was,and still is abandoned. Undaunted,my next attempt was Scottish Maid, which was much more successful,though it still needs one or two finishing touches to the rigging. I found the hull much easier to plank both first and second planking with its 'clipper' lines.
Currently I am building Mamoli's Yacht Mary, which proved rather tricky to plank,but I have now completed the hull,and have made a start on the mast,spars and rigging.
The advice given above is very good-pick a simple model for starters,and one that is fairly easy to plank-not too many tight curves or excessive sheer. Heck, I have been building models with breaks for about 60 years, I still can't build anything to compare with the beautiful models seen in here. I maintain those plastic WWII kits built as a kid, are legitimate models, and not sticky lumps of glue. I have to agree with Skip - I too have been building models for over 60 with starts and stops both plastic and wood - some Military Armor and some wooden ships.
And I too am not as good as many of the modelers I see here but so what. I'm learning! I think Tony is correct. You have to account that a portion of people who get into ship modeling even if they have longed to build one for years, decades, blah give it a go and just decide it's not for them.
There's a certain masochism Seeing the list posted, yes a few were Connie's, one Bounty yeah but some were beginners kits, two Sultana's and one Armed Virginia Sloop which should be good starting points. So I think maybe including those on your list Chris may be part of the confusion here since those models were definitely the correct choice just the builders lost interest which is going to happen no matter how much or little the builders in question listen to the wisdom of experience.
There is the same discussion with golf, sailing, skiing, and a variety of other hobbies. Some people just want to try something and then move on. More power to them. It's a big world out there! I am guilty of not finishing some of my kits. In fact there are a few of them listed in my signature as unfinished. One of them I do not feel bad about as it is a joint projects with a friend while I was still in the Navy and is now awaiting his retirement.
The Model Ship Building For Beginners Uk others either had issues with the kit, the instructions or I just lost interest in finishing them. The fact that they are plastic kits also has something to do with it as I have grown to love wooden ships more. I still may sit down and finish them one day. At the risk of stirring the pot further, I think some members are missing the point I intended to make.
The original post wasn't aimed at modelers who have lost interest in a particular build but are still active in the hobby. Many of us have such models in limbo somewhere. Heck, I have three of them myself. The intended audience is brand-new potential builders , many who are entering the hobby with palpable enthusiasm, as evidenced by the following quotes culled from several dead build logs:. These folks chose the hobby after much consideration, were eager to get started, and hoped to continue beyond their first build.
But they didn't. As I stated previously, these builders never got past the hull. Most of them barely got started, and most are now inactive. Is it possible they finished, but maybe didn't post progress for whatever reason?
Sure - but you guys know as well as I do that that is unlikely. The title of this thread says cautionary tale. That's really the purpose of the thread -- to get new modelers to stop, think about what ship they may be considering building, examine the abundant evidence of newbies attempting too much in a first-time project, and get them to seriously think about setting their sights a little lower.
Perhaps even lower than a Sultana or AVS -- those are still pretty complex projects, even if they are marketed as beginner models. How many of those modelers might still be in the hobby if they had exercised some caution, backed away from the big three-masters, and started with a dinghy, longboat, or small sailboat? Am I saying that a newcomer can't try to tackle the ship of their dreams? Of course not. But they should know going in that if they do in fact finish it, they'll be a member of a very small club.
I apologize Chris as I am probably one of those members who misunderstood what you were trying to do with the thread. I think another big issue that causes the new builder to get in over there heads is how they are introduced to the hobby or ships in general.
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