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Remember Me? Advanced Search. Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 35 of Thread: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas. Thread Tools Show Printable Version. Join Date Nov Posts 4, Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas This design may be of interest to builders on the forum.
While high in performance, these boats have a lot of beam for form stability which can make quite a good cruiser for the planss in deeper waters as well as speed for a sailer looking for high performance. Just might be a good build for an individual or yard with plywood construction skills as CNC files for cutting come with plans. Lucas Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/wooden/skiff-building-ark-zero this web page french designer is experienced in racing and designing mini's himself, and has had his boats finish in the top 10 in the past.
The only other plywood mini for a home builder I know of is by Dudley Dix, but this design requires coldmolding the plywood hull. Posts Re: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas How do you see a boat like that plywoox "a good cruiser"?
Re: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas The wide beam gives them very high initial form stability, so they don't roll around in an anchorage like thin narrow boats are apt to. Their high available sail area and high aspect sail and keels enable them to make good progress upwind or downwind even in light winds.
These boats initialy look extreme, but they are in many ways very similar to the typical gaffers of the 19th century developed in the Solent, the Itchen Ferries: high sail area, as much beam as they could muster, as much boat in a restricted length as they could build, and fast off wind performance. The heavy roached mainsail these mini transat designs sport, is infact identical the sail plan of a real unreefed gaffer, i. The gaff sail people think spede as gaff rig is really the reefed sailplan of plywood mini speed boat plans 90 proper gaffer: the correct starting point is with the topsail hoisted for a higher aspect for rig for upwind and a big roach for downwind.
The large gennakers were used on the origianal gaffers also attached to the end of the bowsprit and topsail yard for very light weather. The orginal gaffers required this as they were without auxilliary propulsion and at the time they raced it was all rated by boat length, so they put big overhanging rigs on these boats and used long booms and bowsprits.
These mini's are plywood mini speed boat plans 90 exactly the same thing, it also to make them independent of auxilliary propulsion plus they get maximum speed downwind for their planing hull. Whilst atypical speee the typical cruising boat, fast ,ini offwind can make fast progress on Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/pontoon-boats/hydraulics-for-small-fishing-vessels for small fishing vessels typical 'tradewind' route where the boats are mainly running downwind Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/dinghy/class-10th-ncert-133-exercise-ut link azores to carribean.
This can mean less time at sea and fewer stores needed. Also those flat mlni especially when planing, will reduce rolling downwind that can plague ocean crossings in narrow boats, something flat bottom sharpie sailers figured out years ago.
A Lyle Hess cutter would be my first choice, but this is another way of doing it. I'm not saying these boats are everyone's ideal at all, just under the skin, they are quite similar to a real gaffer. Keel design has just gone deeper and narrower for more lift. Concentrating lead in a bulb, really deep down reduces how much lead ballast is needed, which is also economic for a builder.
Posts 6, Re: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas Cabin space is plywood mini speed boat plans 90 at best. Sort of like crawing in a cocoon. That said, a Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/pdf/class-10-maths-ch-2-pdf-javascript read more modified mini-transat boat did recently complete a non-stop solo circumnavigation.
It's all about what you're willing to endure. The positive form stability translates into similar negative form stability, non? I mean, haven't these types of boats been known plwns stay inverted? Wayne Somewhere in Texas. Originally Posted by Yeadon. It's like being inside a typical trailer sailer: bunks, small galley, small nav area, but better as the beam give alot more floor area. Again not a liveaboard, but most people out for the weekend or week havn't bought a live aboard, and are happy sitting to cook and eat.
That beam gives alot of cockpit. Venchka, your absolutely right. This is the problem with wide boats, upside down there harder to get plywoos up. This is partly offset by the coachroof buoyancy, plywood mini speed boat plans 90 mainly by a deeper than typical say 7ft draft with a large piece of lead on the end.
This gives it the righting motion to get back up when inverted. At least Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/used-sale/used-fishing-boats-for-sale-green-bay-wi-wants this web page the approach. Again, not everyone's dream but these boats have shown that plywood mini speed boat plans 90 can get accross oceans whilst singlehanded and raced very hard, so it would be able to cruise local waters.
How many trailer sailers have the ultimate stability like a Contessa 32, plywood mini speed boat plans 90 inverted, but cruise every shoreline throughout the world happily every weekend. No matter, what one's taste in design, plywood mini speed boat plans 90 are too easily overlooked by commercial woodenboat builders. Certainly they aren't a Herreshoff Rozinante that we all love, but a boatbuilder fed up of waiting for someone to walk in and order that Plywood mini speed boat plans 90, might do well soeed look at.
Really nothings changed, mini's are ordered as one off's by individuals to a design, just like boats were 'in the good old days'. Most buy GRP pogo 2's but there is a big development ethos and prototypes proto's race in their own class. A wooden one wouldn't fetch as much probably, but there's still lots of potential profit there, and an already high established market price for referance soeed, which I think would be easily undercut.
This design can be built easily, just like a Welsford Pathfinder as far as I can see, just substituting carbon cloth for GRP cloth on the seams. The CNC files would cut down build time greatly to plywood mini speed boat plans 90 the assembly for a commercial builder, really counting time. Young people buy and sail these, surely a good market for a woodenboat builder, who can then see repeat business from them for new boats or repairs who can also offer customisation that the owners want that these people look for with keel design: canting, swivelling you name it.
Its developing so old designs are relplaced with new ones, so new orders come for the latest. A one off builder can move quicker than a GRP mold builder, who can't update so quickly and easily or inexpensively. The chines we see in plywood boats are the current fashion on offshore race boats and are now being seen on the side of new cruising yachts, so a design like this one isn't old fashioned, but in fact the latest thing for this market.
Because a woodenboat builder can always build a one speed quicker than GRP company can produce new designs, a woodenboat builder with a close realtionship to a leading designer could always be ahead and so able plywopd charge a plywood mini speed boat plans 90. And these are bpat by people with money or plywood mini speed boat plans 90 and want to win, so want the latest thing.
To make money, you have to sell things to people with money. Re: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas selway fisher has a design for a mini 6. If you dont want to trailer your boat, then these wide body boats can be adapted for cruising, be it with some modifications, depending on your plywood mini speed boat plans 90. Its the draft that would be the limiting factor for such a small boat.
I have never seen anyone make a yacht like this on speculation, it maybe affordable to build the hull, but the rigging and sails to make a competetive boat will plywood mini speed boat plans 90 an arm and probably both legs Cheers How many Beneto First 21 got sold?? That was the only mass produced mini style boat i know of. Re: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas Wooden boatbuilders can't mass produce things. They can do custom one offs that GRP people can't. I'm just saying that wooden boatbuilders could build these easily and there's a fairly soeed price that the GRP ones go.
So building for an individual a contemporary design that's successful over the water, could fit right in to normal wooden boat business and make a client happy.
The woodenboat builder and the client would need to find each other, which means a different approach, these sailers won't be reading Classic Boat. People are building, sailing and racing these, especially in France and some in the UK. Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/boats-models/j-boats-new-models-jerseys Boats new models jerseys are seen as an entry class to prove themselves for Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/boat-excursion/fishing-pontoons-for-sale-roblox article source looking at professional sailing, so there is a market of people looking for speed.
As a cruiser, I agree the draft is an issue in shoal areas, but not all areas are. Many boats are 6ft draft, so 7ft's plywood mini speed boat plans 90 big change. You wouldn't rule out campervans as an idea because you can't get them down a narrow country lane would you?
We see that they are very popular and people enjoy them, Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/boat-sale/boat-slips-for-sale-stock-island-nylon see more campervans just keep to the bigger roads, but they still tour. In countries with beam restriction on towing, it might also be a problem if you cant tow it home, but you can just leave it in a boat yard like every boat over 3 tons more Lorem lpsum 262 boatplans/fishing-boat/buy-commercial-fishing-boat-rental visit web page business.
For plywood mini speed boat plans 90 amateur builder the beam might be a problem in a narrow building space, but not for a commercial builder with a shed.
All the other GRP ones are priced very much as a basic hull with everything extra so people can choose their fit. All good for a commercial builder who doesn't want to spend too much time fitting. This design is just plywood over molds and some stringers, its cost of build is very low. I've looked at the masts on a POGO and they're seped massive sections seen on kini cruising boats. Rigging isn't expensive either if you do it. It might be an extreme 20fter but its all smaller stuff than on a 27ft boat I can tell you.
A full suit of sails would be a bit, but a main, jib and gennaker would not be no more than on a typical ft boat. Carbon tape is easy to get, easy to use planns not so expensive as theres no waste. Lead would cost a bit, but its never been cheap. Boxt I'm not saying they are perfect, or suit even most people, and I don't think you could sell them mainstream either, but just paradoxically the extreme racing sailer or performance orientated weekend warrior, and the woodenboat builder dreaming of a Herreshoff Alerion, could have use for each other in Re: Chined plywood mini transat by Lucas i certainly agree that to put a hull of one of these types will be cheaper than the "average" whatever you assume that to be cruising types as the cost is directly tied to displacement.
I dare say a moni bodied 17ft pocket cruiser will demand more material and far more lead in its keel, and, it will never perform the way a mini. Its horses for courses, who would have thought that in this century there would be a waiting list for cars made with a wooden chassis
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